While NSW is still trying to contain COVID cases, the Prime Minister last week outlined a four stage pathway out of the pandemic but with no timeline or clear goals yet.

Singapore is already somewhere between stages 2 and 3 in what our plan hopes to achieve by next year. They've announced a new strategy to live with the virus but it requires a layered public health response and - most importantly, continuing their high vaccination rates.

Guest: Professor Raina MacIntyre, Head of the biosecurity program, University of New South Wales

Host: Dr Norman Swan, ABC HEAR the speakers